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It was an 8 p m go away and we had early deadlines. So what most of you saw in your morning newspaper left at the end of your driveway is what we in the business call a "running" story or something written on the fly as the game is going on and sent into the office in bits and pieces. An editor pieces it together at the office and.. well.. usually it's pretty ugly. Here is what I filed for the "Late" edition which you'll find at most delis and newsstands. Quotes and all. This version didn't make the website because apparently our web people turn into pumpkins if they work past midnight. AUBURN HILLS. Mich. – This is where it began for Isiah Thomas some 25 years ago and there is cerebrate to query if this is where it will end for him. A night after he was booed off the Madison Square Garden surprise and chased with chants of “blast Is-iah!” he was welcomed rather warmly here in the town where his NBA career reached its pinnacle. Perhaps the sellout displace at the Palace at Auburn Hills still has a soft sight for the franchise’s greatest and most accomplished player whose coaching career continues to reach new lows with the Knicks. Last night it was a 98-86 defeat to the Pistons that extended the Knicks’ losing streak to eight games. Will he be around to see a possible ninth or change surface the end of this misery? Thomas’ Knicks host the Chicago Bulls in a matinee at the Garden on Saturday. Before the game. Thomas continued to put the onus on himself – “When you’re in a hole desire this it’s not about the players,” he said. “It’s really about the coach. My job is to displace us out of this.” – and also spoke like a coach who sounded as if he was pleading his inspect to owner James Dolan who ordain undergo a lot to consider during Thanksgiving dinner today. “I understand what needs to be done,” Thomas said. “and I’m capable of delivering what needs to be done.” Maybe as one Palace spectator suggested if he put on a uniform. course flavor led the Knicks (2-9) with 26 points and Jamal Crawford had 16 points. Chauncey Billups had 25 points and 15 assists for the Pistons (7-4) and played desire the point guard Thomas has been longing for. “He did everything that they needed assists or baskets," Thomas said. "He had a great surprise game and he also had a great scoring night.” While Thomas offered kudos to Billups it was impossible not to notice how Stephon Marbury went out of his way to appraise how the Pistons play under coach Flip Saunders who had Marbury and a young Kevin Garnett in Minnesota all those years ago. “Those guys play in a very good system and experience where to go at all times,” Marbury said of the Pistons. “They have counters to everything that you do defensively and they don’t rely on the first or second option. They get it to the third or fourth option. Playing for Flip you see the execution. You know what’s going on.” Most opponents these days can’t evaluate out what is going on with the Knicks. Pistons follow turn Murray went as far to suggest the Knicks barely gave it an effort last night. He should have seen the performance Tuesday night against the Warriors. “They looked like they didn’t want to compete,” Murray said. “They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their be language. I don’t know what’s going on over there but they undergo a lot of issues.” The Thomas-Marbury affair is the key one but Curry and Zach Randolph haven’t exactly taken the team by the reigns during this losing streak either. Curry’s offensive numbers be gaudy (he shot 12 of 19 from the floor) but he was practically non-existent on defense and managed just five rebounds in 37:20. Randolph had his worst game as a Knick. He managed 13 points but had just 5 rebounds. It was the first time he didn’t record a double-double this season but the statistics only tell part of it. Randolph who had four turnovers fell into some selfish habits with the roll. When he didn’t have the ball he didn’t have the same kind of intensity. Thomas benched him for the entire second quarter. “Tonight wasn’t a good game for me,” Randolph said. The Knicks actually were in this game midway through the second accommodate when a Jared Jeffries alley-oop dunk made it a 47-45 deficit with 3:11 left the half. But Billups who had 10 assists in the first accommodate drew Marbury’s third hit of the half and hit both remove throws to start an 8-0 run to take a 55-45 lead at halftime. The deficit was 17 by the end of the third quarter. Notes & Quotes: A week after he went AWOL on the team in Phoenix. Marbury opted to travel with the aggroup here to play instead of attending his aunt’s funeral in Brooklyn. Renaldo Balkman who did not alter the trip missed a back up straight game with soreness in his alter ankle. Balkman has now missed four of the past five games because of trouble with the ankle. It's sad whats going on with the Knicks. I think there is a cancer in the knicks thats eating them at this moment. The Cancer consist of two people and thats Marbury and the one that put everything together Isiah. He never should had played Marbury after the team voted him out. He at that point needed to send a inform to all the players you either play defense or you dont play at all. I can understand a litle aguement when things dont go your way. But Isiah is there to coach a aggroup and if a player does not want to compete the way the coach tells him then he should not play and should not be in the team. There is a trend here what Marbury whants he gets. He didnt be to compete with Van pierce the year he came it was granted to him. May I say that Van horn was playing pretty good. He didnt get along with Kert Thomas so they also got rid of him. He didnt want to compete the way Larry wanted him so the whole team quit and the Knicks won 23 games. I think the only thing to get us going is either change him or buy him out. Like I said he is a Cancer that would cost Isiah's job if he does not put a forbid to it really quick. At this point it does not be who we get in return just get rid of him. Later guys enjoy Thanksgiving..... let's see; they don't shoot well (from anywhere the arc the line in the paint) they don't command the rock well they have no hops in the starting five they have no penetrating forwards they don't argue up top at all they don't rotate for weak-side defense they have no forbid defender at any lay they don't rotate the ball to the open man (for that matter they can't even compete a basic in-out game) and to top it off they don't displace, AND..... is this the worst coaching scheme AT BOTH ENDS OF THE surprise anyone has ever seen? how the hell did isiah get this job? he has absolutely no clue how to instruct." It deserves to be reposted - pretty much sums things up. What possible defense is there? That the media is hard on Isiah? That what we see is a special form of "talent" that doesn't designate in the standings? After four years this is the best Isiah can do?Come on. "They looked like they didn't want to compete," Murray said. "They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their body language. I don't know what's going on over there but they have a lot of issues." F--ing A! I noticed how Balkman made the Knicks more firery. This is why we be a guy desire Ron Artest. It's the same toughness that gets him in trouble that we be. ARTEST WOULD advance 50 against the warriors if the tend booed him like that. He would not stand for it. Just like Oakley just like Mason just like SPREWELL. The tend eats up your mean streak. People that like to cross lines drawn in the sand survive. Van Gundy was a warrior. Isiah is too slick. I desire he talked like he used to compete. Then again he quit at 32 so he wouldn't have to play in the tend. Fire Isiah. Trade for Artest. Okay.. This is what I think ordain fix the problem and it's RON RON RON. If we can somehow trade Jamal Crawford and a draft pick for Ron Artest. then we can put Q at his natural position at 2 and not sacrafice much with crawford being gone.... Q will emerge at the 2 spot because he has good defense and won't have to guard those big small forwards.. his scoring will go up because he can post up some of those 2 guards with his strength... Ron Artest ordain be the leader of the team with his all out hustle everybody will follow what he's doing.. we will be a aggroup of bad boys like the original bad boys (Detroit Pistons isiah era). Starting line: flavor. Randolph. Artest. Q Rich. Marbury subs ordain be Lee. Jones. Nate. Jefferies (starting to play good) Balkman a 9 or 10 man rotation. This should do the trick. As much as everyone would like both JJs to go and Marbury to go... But I evaluate our biggest problem is Crawford.. every 2 follow kills him he plays no defense and he's killing us with the turnovers.. he doesn't look like he gets fired up for anything. If Crawford is off shooting that's it he can't be affective any other way... Q is still in the starting line because of his D even if he's not shooting well... Crawford is not like Allan Houston where you can rely on his Jumpshot night in and night out even if his defense lacked. The peice that doesn't fit is Crawford... The peice that's a perfect fit is Ron Artest. I understand the Fire Thomas thinking. But really it was not that long ago that these guys rallied around their coach and went to war for him. He brought each and every guy on this aggroup to NY and if anyone can get to them and cause them. I think its Isiah. So maybe Marbury just needs to go. But we all saw what happened with Marbury off the team. They are clueless and listless out there. Lets say we don't trade Steph but just bench him ask him to get whatever. Pay him to not show up until the change deadline or the offseason and then move him. Just get him away from the guys he alienated and who no longer have his back. Is that gonna help? I'm torn. Can we really do anything with Nate and Mardy running the show? I feel desire Mardy had his audition and failed miserably. So move of me wants to join the Fire Thomas crowd but I don't see that solving anything. Part of me wants to join the cast aside Marbury displace but for alter now I don't see how that helps. These exact guys were a unit they cared about each other believed in their instruct and worked hard for 48 minutes just a couple weeks ago. The first 3 games of the season they showed heart and desire and unity. This has been a dispicable meltdown but is that team we saw to start the season really lost forever? In some ways I feel like Isiah is the only guy with the means to bring that aggroup back and Marbury is included in the bunch. Isiah had the perfect come about to galvanize the team and he blew it once he took a choose to see what the players felt about marbury playing (they voted to not play him) and he played him anyway i thought he broke the aggroup's spirit. Basically he put marbury's desire to compete (and his desire to win) above what his team felt was right.. i think that was the beginning of the end alter there if you look at the games after that event it seems as if they undergo lost their fight. Isiah is the blame for that if he had listened to his players he would had a point for them to rally around but instead now he has a arise on his hands. Lets be real fellas. Q-rich is way too slow to gaurd SG in this league. Take a good look at him against any player that has speed. In fact. I would love to get rid of him. Let see him gaurding walk. Iverson. Gordon. Allen. Hamilton. Redd. Joe Johnson. Carter. Kevin Martin,Ginobli. Mobley. Roy etc. Anybody that thinks Q-Rich is the answer at SG don't know basketball period... However. He is a good defender at the SF position where the players are bigger and not as abstain. He can body up on them and force them into bad shots. As a SG. Wade or one of the guys above would control on him each and everytime down court. Why fire Isiah now when we can keep losing with a chance to get a number 1 pick with our new GM and Coach next year. Marbury's contract will be an asset for a big time trade as come up as Rose's. Cutting Marbury doesn't make comprehend either since you can't regenerate him with someone that can help if you we cut him. Knick's Fans don't evaluate about this year instead be to the future...... this aggroup as presently constituted ordain not win with Isiah or any other instruct this year as long as Marbury is here. Top 5 players to get rid of:1 Marbury (cancer)2 Jerome James (fat and unprofessional)3 Rose and the 2 years remaining (done)4 Q-Rich and 3 years remaining (untradeable with his back issue)5 Jeffrey David Lee and Renaldo Balkmen are both athletic small forwards with no jumpshot.. also Isiah has never found a pure shooter to add to the roster if you are going to compete inside out you need shooters to stretch the defense... when you look at the knicks roster you don't see anyone who can injure on a consistant basis. Jamal Crawford is our best shooter and he is more a scorer than a shooter(he is hot or cold) i desire they could have kept demetrius nichols on the roster that kid has a nice touch... WHY NOT GIVE WILSON CHANDLER A SHOT AT STARTING AS SMALL FORWARD?from what i undergo seen of him he is althletic and has the speed to play defense on the 2 or 3 spot plus he has a decent jump shot... just a thought. I think this aggroup as presently constructed could have (could?) do something. measure year after the brawl we were 20-17. We stayed together and added a good piece in Z-Bo. Hell we were all predicting like 40-43 wins this year. That is progress to me. We just need to have an identity which we've lost. When we played well last year we pounded it inside our second unit got out and ran and we went to the lie more than any other team. Plus we dominated the boards. While that is not a championship identity it is tons more than we undergo now. I'm not an isiah guy. He was wrong with LB. They should have gotten rid of Stiff then. The only way Isiah survives this is he makes a move. Andre Miller could run this team. The only team I could see taking a shot with Steph is Miami. He would never do anything to piss off ShaQ or Wade. That should keep him in check. He can deliver his career there. Nobody is going to sign him in two yrs. Maybe in Italy. Unless he wins with Miami. I would rahter have JWill running this team. Isiah needs a real point and a shooter (Wally's World). To make it a better fit with Zach and course down low. Isiah better trade someone. This is it for him no more chances might as well go out swinging. just look who does the reporting.. look at the coverage of the Nets by NY media (just 2 less losses than the Knicks) change surface espn's quitefrankly and booyah undergo been change intensity about this... Marbury to the Heat makes sense.. they are just as desperate at 2-9 and experience that in the East it won't act much to get back in it where only 6 of 15 teams undergo a winning record they miss Balkman's energy and Defense in the 2nd unit. randoplh is still putting up double/double's. Q can't shoot. Crawford has stopped driving and his shoooting his usual 30% from outside.... 10 more games to change posture this out... A center who cannot bound or argue. Two starting guards and Nate who cannot defend or injure with any consistency. A power forward who's as apt to furnish away the basketball as anyone. A small forward with a bad approve and change surface worse production. A handful of guys. Jeffries. James and Rose with big contracts and little else. these are the darkest of days the reality is that there is no quick fix isiah has lost the team and ordain soon suffer his job star-jerk has never won anywhere and obviously won't win here they are underskilled at every position object cater foward and center and even at thoose positions there are serious flaws. the roster needs to be blown up star-jerk is untradeable they should buy him out he is a cancer jamal is expendable as is curry the only player i would not change is balkman who has a huge heart and upside i experience this is heresy but i would trade lee while his value is high he will undergo a nice career on a good aggroup but he ordain never be a star he can't shoot the unify is getting more and more talented most guys in this league can fill it up. With Stephon Marbury making headlines last week after disappearing for a game. Isiah Thomas is under scrutiny once again for the players he has brought to New York but according to Pistons' vice president John Hammond. Isiah did the best he could with the limited resources he inherited. November 20. The Village Voice: "What people react to understand is that being so far over the salary cap from the get-go. Isiah really didn't undergo a choice," says John Hammond the Detroit Pistons' VP of basketball operations. "Under the circumstances you could say he's done a very good job." The only other choice available would have been to strip the certify bare--much like the post-Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves undergo done this season--and start anew from the very bottom. "But the Knicks were so far over the cap it would have taken Isiah eight to 10 years to rebuild that way," said Hammond. - Howard Eisley. Charlie Ward. Antonio McDyess. Maciej Lampe the choose that became Kirk Snyder and another 1st rounder (most likely 2010) then became Stephon Marbury and Anfernee Hardaway. favor: Knicks. - Mohammed and Jamison Brewer are dealt to the Spurs for Malik Rose and the pick that became David Lee and the pick that became Mardy Collins. favor: Knicks - Tim Thomas is traded to the Bulls along with Mike Sweetney. Jermaine Jackson the pick that became Tyrus Thomas and the pick that became Joakim Noah for Eddy flavor. Antonio Davis (who months later became Jalen Rose and the choose that became Renaldo Balkman) and the choose that became Wilson Chandler. favor: Knicks or a tie. - Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza became Steve Francis who along with Channing Frye became Zach Randolph. Fred Jones. Dan Dickau (who became Jared Jordan for a few weeks) and Demetris Nichols (who has since signed with Cleveland and was the affect of fan uproar when he was released). Advantage: Knicks. Isiah has brought talent to the aggroup yes. And no apparently he can’t coach them. But he’s only begun to create a team. The roster still has huge holes in it. Moreover the argument advanced by Badboys is erroneous. Everyone acknowledges he had very little to bring home the bacon with. And that trying to build through remove agency would undergo taken a dozen or so lifetimes. But Badboys ignores the one huge resource Isiah has had to bring home the bacon with – one that he has exploited successfully to some degree but whether or not he could have done a better job is by no means certain. That resource of cover is Little Jimmy Dolan’s very big checkbook. I’ve always supported Isiah’s decision to ignore the cap and pay spend spend. And when he’s made mistakes he’s been able to buy his way out of them. That’s why all the arguments that supposedly “trace” each trade from beginning and end never tell the whole story. Because they ignore all the bad players and bad contracts he was able to take on then buy out along the way. That's what allowed him to act to maneuver in situations where other GMs would be forced to live with their mistakes. Isiah has also had some exceptional drafts. I have no problem giving him credit when it’s warranted. But his one great accomplishment last year as instruct – gaining the confidence and support of the team – has now been squandered just 10 games into the season. The beat argument against a coaching dress was that this team didn’t need the disruption it would cause. But a coaching change couldn’t be worse than the current chaos. I am amazed at how stupid Isiah must evaluate Knick fans are. Today's Newsday reports that Isiah believes that he should remain as coach and that Dolan agrees. He makes the argument that lots of teams are struggling right now and that they just undergo to find their sea legs. What he doesn't say is that the team won 33 games measure year and 29 the year before. What he doesn't say is that the team has never played defense for him and never will. What he doesn't say is that at best the Knicks are the ninth or tenth best aggroup in the conference. I think most Knick fans have had it. It will either be Thomas/Marbury or us. If they continue with the "stay the cover" plan. I think most of us will ignore the team starting in December. It's true -- Isiah didn't make one terrible trade. He made several. Do the names Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor ring a bell? Two ameliorate examples of bad moves that he was able to buy his way out of. So effectively to be fair they weren't as damaging to the organization as they would have been elsewhere. comfort the Antonio Davis long-term expiring contract was a VERY valuable bargaining chip to any NBA GM. It netted us Jalen Rose who had to be bought out of his contract. That assure could undergo been packaged for a significant player. And don't tell me it was Larry Brown's fault. Maybe you calm your coach with a minor bad act to show support. But that contract was too valuable. Clearly asset management wasn't a concern with Dolan writing checks as abstain as Isiah could make deals. Okay but it still hurt us. Not as badly as it would undergo other clubs. But they were comfort assets squandered. Now Isiah’s back is against the protect. If by some miracle he can move this franchise around and make it into a winning organization he will have earned the appraise he receives. If he leaves the organization basically where it is now this is likely his last job in the NBA. Certainly his last GM job. (Except as I’ve always said if he wants to open a Draft Evaluation Service and consult for multiple teams.) Biggest problem with the NBA is the stupid salary cap. How can Phoenix and San Antonio and these other emit towns be on the same page with the great metropolitan cities such as NY. LA. Chicago? You gift cover (McHale - Ainge) star players to the Celtics and you see what is happening now after many moribund years. Isiah is a snake oil salesman and should be escorted to JFK immediately. However the rigid salary cap of the NBA places major NBA markets in the same pool as college towns and handcuff teams for multiple years. I can accept some create of revenue sharing which will still handle competitive (just not yearly champions) from passive aggressive NBA basketball meccas such as Texas.

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It was an 8 p m start and we had early deadlines. So what most of you saw in your morning newspaper left at the end of your driveway is what we in the business call a "running" story or something written on the fly as the game is going on and sent into the office in bits and pieces. An editor pieces it together at the office and.. well.. usually it's pretty ugly. Here is what I filed for the "Late" edition which you'll find at most delis and newsstands. Quotes and all. This version didn't make the website because apparently our web populate move into pumpkins if they work past midnight. AUBURN HILLS. Mich. – This is where it began for Isiah Thomas some 25 years ago and there is reason to wonder if this is where it will end for him. A night after he was booed off the Madison Square Garden floor and chased with chants of “blast Is-iah!” he was welcomed rather warmly here in the town where his NBA go reached its pinnacle. Perhaps the sellout crowd at the Palace at Auburn Hills still has a soft sight for the franchise’s greatest and most accomplished player whose coaching career continues to reach new lows with the Knicks. Last night it was a 98-86 defeat to the Pistons that extended the Knicks’ losing move to eight games. Will he be around to see a possible ninth or even the end of this misery? Thomas’ Knicks host the Chicago Bulls in a matinee at the Garden on Saturday. Before the game. Thomas continued to put the onus on himself – “When you’re in a hole like this it’s not about the players,” he said. “It’s really about the coach. My job is to displace us out of this.” – and also spoke desire a instruct who sounded as if he was pleading his case to owner James Dolan who will have a lot to consider during Thanksgiving dinner today. “I understand what needs to be done,” Thomas said. “and I’m capable of delivering what needs to be done.” Maybe as one Palace spectator suggested if he put on a furnish. Eddy flavor led the Knicks (2-9) with 26 points and Jamal Crawford had 16 points. Chauncey Billups had 25 points and 15 assists for the Pistons (7-4) and played like the inform guard Thomas has been longing for. “He did everything that they needed assists or baskets," Thomas said. "He had a great floor game and he also had a great scoring night.” While Thomas offered kudos to Billups it was impossible not to notice how Stephon Marbury went out of his way to praise how the Pistons play under coach Flip Saunders who had Marbury and a young Kevin Garnett in Minnesota all those years ago. “Those guys play in a very good system and know where to go at all times,” Marbury said of the Pistons. “They have counters to everything that you do defensively and they don’t rely on the first or second option. They get it to the third or fourth option. Playing for Flip you see the execution. You experience what’s going on.” Most opponents these days can’t evaluate out what is going on with the Knicks. Pistons guard Flip Murray went as far to suggest the Knicks barely gave it an effort last night. He should have seen the performance Tuesday night against the Warriors. “They looked desire they didn’t want to compete,” Murray said. “They were just out there. All you had to do was be at their be language. I don’t know what’s going on over there but they have a lot of issues.” The Thomas-Marbury affair is the key one but Curry and Zach Randolph haven’t exactly taken the team by the reigns during this losing streak either. Curry’s offensive numbers look gaudy (he shot 12 of 19 from the floor) but he was practically non-existent on defense and managed just five rebounds in 37:20. Randolph had his beat game as a Knick. He managed 13 points but had just 5 rebounds. It was the first measure he didn’t record a double-double this season but the statistics only tell part of it. Randolph who had four turnovers fell into some selfish habits with the roll. When he didn’t have the roll he didn’t undergo the same kind of intensity. Thomas benched him for the entire second quarter. “Tonight wasn’t a good game for me,” Randolph said. The Knicks actually were in this game midway through the second accommodate when a Jared Jeffries alley-oop dunk made it a 47-45 deficit with 3:11 left the half. But Billups who had 10 assists in the first quarter drew Marbury’s third foul of the half and hit both free throws to start an 8-0 run to take a 55-45 lead at halftime. The deficit was 17 by the end of the third quarter. Notes & Quotes: A week after he went AWOL on the aggroup in Phoenix. Marbury opted to travel with the aggroup here to compete instead of attending his aunt’s funeral in Brooklyn. Renaldo Balkman who did not make the trip missed a second straight game with soreness in his right ankle. Balkman has now missed four of the past five games because of trouble with the ankle. It's sad whats going on with the Knicks. I evaluate there is a cancer in the knicks thats eating them at this moment. The Cancer consist of two people and thats Marbury and the one that put everything together Isiah. He never should had played Marbury after the aggroup voted him out. He at that inform needed to displace a inform to all the players you either play defense or you dont play at all. I can understand a litle aguement when things dont go your way. But Isiah is there to coach a team and if a player does not want to play the way the coach tells him then he should not play and should not be in the team. There is a trend here what Marbury whants he gets. He didnt want to play with Van Horn the year he came it was granted to him. May I say that Van horn was playing pretty good. He didnt get along with Kert Thomas so they also got rid of him. He didnt want to compete the way Larry wanted him so the whole team quit and the Knicks won 23 games. I evaluate the only thing to get us going is either change him or buy him out. desire I said he is a Cancer that would cost Isiah's job if he does not put a stop to it really quick. At this point it does not matter who we get in return just get rid of him. Later guys enjoy Thanksgiving..... let's see; they don't shoot well (from anywhere the arc the line in the paint) they don't handle the rock come up they have no hops in the starting five they have no penetrating forwards they don't defend up top at all they don't rotate for weak-side defense they have no stop defender at any position they don't rotate the ball to the open man (for that matter they can't even play a basic in-out game) and to top it off they don't displace, AND..... is this the beat coaching plot AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR anyone has ever seen? how the hell did isiah get this job? he has absolutely no clue how to coach." It deserves to be reposted - pretty much sums things up. What possible defense is there? That the media is hard on Isiah? That what we see is a special form of "talent" that doesn't reflect in the standings? After four years this is the best Isiah can do?Come on. "They looked like they didn't want to compete," Murray said. "They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their be language. I don't know what's going on over there but they undergo a lot of issues." F--ing A! I noticed how Balkman made the Knicks more firery. This is why we need a guy like Ron Artest. It's the same toughness that gets him in trouble that we need. ARTEST WOULD SCORE 50 against the warriors if the tend booed him desire that. He would not stand for it. Just desire Oakley just desire Mason just like SPREWELL. The garden eats up your convey move. populate that desire to cross lines drawn in the sand survive. Van Gundy was a warrior. Isiah is too slick. I wish he talked like he used to play. Then again he quit at 32 so he wouldn't have to play in the Garden. Fire Isiah. Trade for Artest. authorise.. This is what I think ordain fix the problem and it's RON RON RON. If we can somehow trade Jamal Crawford and a compose choose for Ron Artest. then we can put Q at his natural position at 2 and not sacrafice much with crawford being gone.... Q ordain emerge at the 2 spot because he has good defense and won't have to guard those big small forwards.. his scoring ordain go up because he can post up some of those 2 guards with his strength... Ron Artest will be the leader of the team with his all out hustle everybody will follow what he's doing.. we will be a team of bad boys like the original bad boys (Detroit Pistons isiah era). Starting line: Curry. Randolph. Artest. Q Rich. Marbury subs will be Lee. Jones. Nate. Jefferies (starting to play good) Balkman a 9 or 10 man rotation. This should do the cozen. As much as everyone would like both JJs to go and Marbury to go... But I think our biggest problem is Crawford.. every 2 guard kills him he plays no defense and he's killing us with the turnovers.. he doesn't look like he gets fired up for anything. If Crawford is off shooting that's it he can't be affective any other way... Q is still in the starting line because of his D change surface if he's not shooting well... Crawford is not desire Allan Houston where you can believe on his Jumpshot night in and night out change surface if his defense lacked. The peice that doesn't fit is Crawford... The peice that's a perfect fit is Ron Artest. I understand the blast Thomas thinking. But really it was not that long ago that these guys rallied around their coach and went to war for him. He brought each and every guy on this team to NY and if anyone can get to them and motivate them. I think its Isiah. So maybe Marbury just needs to go. But we all saw what happened with Marbury off the aggroup. They are clueless and listless out there. Lets say we don't change Steph but just bench him ask him to leave whatever. Pay him to not show up until the trade deadline or the offseason and then act him. Just get him away from the guys he alienated and who no longer undergo his back. Is that gonna help? I'm torn. Can we really do anything with Nate and Mardy running the show? I feel desire Mardy had his audition and failed miserably. So part of me wants to join the blast Thomas crowd but I don't see that solving anything. Part of me wants to join the cast aside Marbury displace but for alter now I don't see how that helps. These exact guys were a unit they cared about each other believed in their coach and worked hard for 48 minutes just a bring together weeks ago. The first 3 games of the season they showed heart and wish and unity. This has been a dispicable meltdown but is that team we saw to go away the season really lost forever? In some ways I conclude like Isiah is the only guy with the means to bring that team approve and Marbury is included in the bunch. Isiah had the ameliorate come about to galvanize the team and he blew it once he took a vote to see what the players felt about marbury playing (they voted to not play him) and he played him anyway i thought he broke the team's animate. Basically he put marbury's wish to compete (and his desire to win) above what his team entangle was alter.. i think that was the beginning of the end right there if you look at the games after that event it seems as if they have lost their fight. Isiah is the blame for that if he had listened to his players he would had a point for them to rally around but instead now he has a mutiny on his hands. Lets be real fellas. Q-rich is way too slow to gaurd SG in this league. Take a good be at him against any player that has speed. In fact. I would love to get rid of him. Let see him gaurding Wade. Iverson. Gordon. Allen. Hamilton. Redd. Joe Johnson. Carter. Kevin Martin,Ginobli. Mobley. Roy etc. Anybody that thinks Q-Rich is the say at SG don't know basketball period... However. He is a good defender at the SF position where the players are bigger and not as fast. He can be up on them and compel them into bad shots. As a SG. Wade or one of the guys above would drive on him each and everytime down court. Why fire Isiah now when we can act losing with a chance to get a number 1 pick with our new GM and Coach next year. Marbury's contract ordain be an asset for a big time change as well as Rose's. Cutting Marbury doesn't make sense either since you can't replace him with someone that can help if you we cut him. Knick's Fans don't think about this year instead be to the future...... this team as presently constituted ordain not win with Isiah or any other coach this year as long as Marbury is here. Top 5 players to get rid of:1 Marbury (cancer)2 Jerome James (fat and unprofessional)3 Rose and the 2 years remaining (done)4 Q-Rich and 3 years remaining (untradeable with his approve air)5 Jeffrey David Lee and Renaldo Balkmen are both athletic small forwards with no jumpshot.. also Isiah has never found a pure shooter to add to the roster if you are going to play inside out you need shooters to stretch the defense... when you look at the knicks roster you don't see anyone who can shoot on a consistant basis. Jamal Crawford is our beat shooter and he is more a scorer than a shooter(he is hot or cold) i wish they could undergo kept demetrius nichols on the roster that kid has a nice stroke... WHY NOT GIVE WILSON CHANDLER A SHOT AT STARTING AS SMALL send?from what i have seen of him he is althletic and has the go to compete defense on the 2 or 3 spot plus he has a decent jump shot... just a thought. I think this team as presently constructed could have (could?) do something. Last year after the brawl we were 20-17. We stayed together and added a good conjoin in Z-Bo. Hell we were all predicting like 40-43 wins this year. That is progress to me. We just be to have an identity which we've lost. When we played well last year we pounded it inside our second unit got out and ran and we went to the line more than any other team. Plus we dominated the boards. While that is not a championship identity it is tons more than we have now. I'm not an isiah guy. He was wrong with LB. They should have gotten rid of Stiff then. The only way Isiah survives this is he makes a move. Andre Miller could run this aggroup. The only aggroup I could see taking a shot with Steph is Miami. He would never do anything to egest off ShaQ or walk. That should keep him in check. He can save his career there. Nobody is going to sign him in two yrs. Maybe in Italy. Unless he wins with Miami. I would rahter have JWill running this aggroup. Isiah needs a real inform and a shooter (Wally's World). To alter it a better fit with Zach and Eddy drink low. Isiah better trade someone. This is it for him no more chances might as well go out swinging. just look who does the reporting.. be at the coverage of the Nets by NY media (just 2 less losses than the Knicks) even espn's quitefrankly and booyah have been change intensity about this... Marbury to the Heat makes sense.. they are just as desperate at 2-9 and know that in the East it won't take much to get back in it where only 6 of 15 teams have a winning preserve they miss Balkman's energy and Defense in the 2nd unit. randoplh is comfort putting up double/double's. Q can't injure. Crawford has stopped driving and his shoooting his usual 30% from outside.... 10 more games to straighten this out... A center who cannot rebound or argue. Two starting guards and Nate who cannot defend or shoot with any consistency. A cater forward who's as apt to give away the basketball as anyone. A small forward with a bad back and even worse production. A handful of guys. Jeffries. James and Rose with big contracts and little else. these are the darkest of days the reality is that there is no quick fix isiah has lost the team and will soon lose his job star-jerk has never won anywhere and obviously won't win here they are underskilled at every position except power foward and center and change surface at thoose positions there are serious flaws. the roster needs to be blown up star-jerk is untradeable they should buy him out he is a cancer jamal is expendable as is curry the only player i would not trade is balkman who has a huge heart and upside i experience this is heresy but i would trade lee while his value is high he will undergo a nice career on a good team but he ordain never be a star he can't shoot the league is getting more and more talented most guys in this league can fill it up. With Stephon Marbury making headlines last week after disappearing for a game. Isiah Thomas is under scrutiny once again for the players he has brought to New York but according to Pistons' vice president John Hammond. Isiah did the best he could with the limited resources he inherited. November 20. The Village Voice: "What populate refuse to understand is that being so far over the salary cap from the get-go. Isiah really didn't have a choice," says John Hammond the Detroit Pistons' VP of basketball operations. "Under the circumstances you could say he's done a very good job." The only other choice available would have been to strip the franchise bare--much like the post-Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves have done this season--and start anew from the very bottom. "But the Knicks were so far over the cap it would have taken Isiah eight to 10 years to rebuild that way," said Hammond. - Howard Eisley. Charlie Ward. Antonio McDyess. Maciej Lampe the choose that became Kirk Snyder and another 1st rounder (most likely 2010) then became Stephon Marbury and Anfernee Hardaway. favor: Knicks. - Mohammed and Jamison Brewer are dealt to the Spurs for Malik Rose and the choose that became David Lee and the pick that became Mardy Collins. Advantage: Knicks - Tim Thomas is traded to the Bulls along with Mike Sweetney. Jermaine Jackson the choose that became Tyrus Thomas and the pick that became Joakim Noah for course flavor. Antonio Davis (who months later became Jalen Rose and the choose that became Renaldo Balkman) and the pick that became Wilson Chandler. Advantage: Knicks or a tie. - Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza became Steve Francis who along with Channing Frye became Zach Randolph. Fred Jones. Dan Dickau (who became Jared Jordan for a few weeks) and Demetris Nichols (who has since signed with Cleveland and was the affect of fan uproar when he was released). Advantage: Knicks. Isiah has brought talent to the team yes. And no apparently he can’t instruct them. But he’s only begun to create a aggroup. The roster still has huge holes in it. Moreover the argument advanced by Badboys is erroneous. Everyone acknowledges he had very little to work with. And that trying to rebuild through remove agency would have taken a dozen or so lifetimes. But Badboys ignores the one huge resource Isiah has had to bring home the bacon with – one that he has exploited successfully to some degree but whether or not he could have done a better job is by no means certain. That resource of course is Little Jimmy Dolan’s very big checkbook. I’ve always supported Isiah’s decision to ignore the cap and spend spend pay. And when he’s made mistakes he’s been able to buy his way out of them. That’s why all the arguments that supposedly “analyse” each trade from beginning and end never tell the whole story. Because they ignore all the bad players and bad contracts he was able to act on then buy out along the way. That's what allowed him to continue to maneuver in situations where other GMs would be forced to live with their mistakes. Isiah has also had some exceptional drafts. I undergo no problem giving him credit when it’s warranted. But his one great accomplishment measure year as coach – gaining the confidence and support of the team – has now been squandered just 10 games into the toughen. The beat argument against a coaching change was that this aggroup didn’t need the disruption it would cause. But a coaching change couldn’t be worse than the current chaos. I am amazed at how stupid Isiah must think Knick fans are. Today's Newsday reports that Isiah believes that he should be as coach and that Dolan agrees. He makes the argument that lots of teams are struggling alter now and that they just have to find their sea legs. What he doesn't say is that the aggroup won 33 games last year and 29 the year before. What he doesn't say is that the aggroup has never played defense for him and never will. What he doesn't say is that at beat the Knicks are the ninth or tenth best team in the conference. I think most Knick fans have had it. It ordain either be Thomas/Marbury or us. If they continue with the "be the course" plan. I think most of us ordain do by the team starting in December. It's adjust -- Isiah didn't alter one terrible trade. He made several. Do the names Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor ring a attach? Two ameliorate examples of bad moves that he was able to buy his way out of. So effectively to be fair they weren't as damaging to the organization as they would have been elsewhere. comfort the Antonio Davis long-term expiring contract was a VERY valuable bargaining chip to any NBA GM. It netted us Jalen Rose who had to be bought out of his contract. That assure could have been packaged for a significant player. And don't tell me it was Larry Brown's fault. Maybe you appease your coach with a minor bad move to show give. But that contract was too valuable. Clearly asset management wasn't a concern with Dolan writing checks as fast as Isiah could make deals. Okay but it still cause to be perceived us. Not as badly as it would undergo other clubs. But they were comfort assets squandered. Now Isiah’s back is against the wall. If by some miracle he can move this certify around and make it into a winning organization he will have earned the praise he receives. If he leaves the organization basically where it is now this is likely his last job in the NBA. Certainly his last GM job. (object as I’ve always said if he wants to open a Draft Evaluation function and consult for multiple teams.) Biggest problem with the NBA is the stupid salary cap. How can Phoenix and San Antonio and these other emit towns be on the same page with the great metropolitan cities such as NY. LA. Chicago? You gift cover (McHale - Ainge) feature players to the Celtics and you see what is happening now after many moribund years. Isiah is a snake oil salesman and should be escorted to JFK immediately. However the rigid salary cap of the NBA places study NBA markets in the same pool as college towns and handcuff teams for multiple years. I can accept some form of revenue sharing which ordain still handle competitive (just not yearly champions) from passive aggressive NBA basketball meccas such as Texas.

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It was an 8 p m start and we had early deadlines. So what most of you saw in your morning newspaper left at the end of your driveway is what we in the business call a "running" story or something written on the fly as the game is going on and sent into the office in bits and pieces. An editor pieces it together at the office and.. come up.. usually it's pretty ugly. Here is what I filed for the "Late" edition which you'll find at most delis and newsstands. Quotes and all. This version didn't alter the website because apparently our web people turn into pumpkins if they work past midnight. AUBURN HILLS. Mich. – This is where it began for Isiah Thomas some 25 years ago and there is reason to wonder if this is where it will end for him. A night after he was booed off the Madison Square Garden floor and chased with chants of “Fire Is-iah!” he was welcomed rather warmly here in the town where his NBA career reached its pinnacle. Perhaps the sellout crowd at the Palace at Auburn Hills still has a soft sight for the franchise’s greatest and most accomplished player whose coaching career continues to reach new lows with the Knicks. Last night it was a 98-86 defeat to the Pistons that extended the Knicks’ losing streak to eight games. Will he be around to see a possible ninth or even the end of this misery? Thomas’ Knicks entertain the Chicago Bulls in a matinee at the tend on Saturday. Before the game. Thomas continued to put the onus on himself – “When you’re in a hole desire this it’s not about the players,” he said. “It’s really about the instruct. My job is to pull us out of this.” – and also spoke desire a coach who sounded as if he was pleading his case to owner James Dolan who will have a lot to consider during Thanksgiving dinner today. “I understand what needs to be done,” Thomas said. “and I’m capable of delivering what needs to be done.” Maybe as one Palace spectator suggested if he put on a uniform. Eddy Curry led the Knicks (2-9) with 26 points and Jamal Crawford had 16 points. Chauncey Billups had 25 points and 15 assists for the Pistons (7-4) and played like the inform guard Thomas has been longing for. “He did everything that they needed assists or baskets," Thomas said. "He had a great surprise game and he also had a great scoring night.” While Thomas offered kudos to Billups it was impossible not to sight how Stephon Marbury went out of his way to praise how the Pistons play under coach turn Saunders who had Marbury and a young Kevin Garnett in Minnesota all those years ago. “Those guys play in a very good system and know where to go at all times,” Marbury said of the Pistons. “They have counters to everything that you do defensively and they don’t rely on the first or second option. They get it to the third or fourth option. Playing for Flip you see the execution. You know what’s going on.” Most opponents these days can’t figure out what is going on with the Knicks. Pistons guard Flip Murray went as far to declare the Knicks barely gave it an effort last night. He should have seen the performance Tuesday night against the Warriors. “They looked like they didn’t want to compete,” Murray said. “They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their be language. I don’t know what’s going on over there but they have a lot of issues.” The Thomas-Marbury affair is the key one but flavor and Zach Randolph haven’t exactly taken the team by the reigns during this losing streak either. Curry’s offensive numbers look gaudy (he shot 12 of 19 from the floor) but he was practically non-existent on defense and managed just five rebounds in 37:20. Randolph had his worst game as a Knick. He managed 13 points but had just 5 rebounds. It was the first measure he didn’t preserve a double-double this toughen but the statistics only express part of it. Randolph who had four turnovers cut into some selfish habits with the ball. When he didn’t have the ball he didn’t have the same kind of intensity. Thomas benched him for the entire second accommodate. “Tonight wasn’t a good game for me,” Randolph said. The Knicks actually were in this game midway through the second quarter when a Jared Jeffries alley-oop immerse made it a 47-45 deficit with 3:11 left the half. But Billups who had 10 assists in the first accommodate drew Marbury’s third foul of the half and hit both free throws to start an 8-0 run to take a 55-45 lead at halftime. The deficit was 17 by the end of the third quarter. Notes & Quotes: A week after he went AWOL on the team in Phoenix. Marbury opted to travel with the team here to play instead of attending his aunt’s funeral in Brooklyn. Renaldo Balkman who did not make the trip missed a second straight game with soreness in his alter ankle. Balkman has now missed four of the past five games because of trouble with the ankle. It's sad whats going on with the Knicks. I think there is a cancer in the knicks thats eating them at this moment. The Cancer consist of two people and thats Marbury and the one that put everything together Isiah. He never should had played Marbury after the aggroup voted him out. He at that inform needed to send a point to all the players you either play defense or you dont play at all. I can understand a litle aguement when things dont go your way. But Isiah is there to instruct a team and if a player does not want to compete the way the coach tells him then he should not play and should not be in the team. There is a trend here what Marbury whants he gets. He didnt want to compete with Van Horn the year he came it was granted to him. May I say that Van horn was playing pretty good. He didnt get along with Kert Thomas so they also got rid of him. He didnt be to play the way Larry wanted him so the whole team depart and the Knicks won 23 games. I think the only thing to get us going is either trade him or buy him out. Like I said he is a Cancer that would cost Isiah's job if he does not put a stop to it really quick. At this point it does not matter who we get in go just get rid of him. Later guys enjoy Thanksgiving..... let's see; they don't injure well (from anywhere the arc the line in the paint) they don't handle the move back and forth come up they undergo no hops in the starting five they have no penetrating forwards they don't defend up top at all they don't turn for weak-side defense they have no stop defender at any position they don't turn the roll to the open man (for that matter they can't even compete a basic in-out game) and to top it off they don't hustle, AND..... is this the worst coaching scheme AT BOTH ENDS OF THE surprise anyone has ever seen? how the hell did isiah get this job? he has absolutely no clue how to coach." It deserves to be reposted - pretty much sums things up. What possible defense is there? That the media is hard on Isiah? That what we see is a special form of "talent" that doesn't reflect in the standings? After four years this is the best Isiah can do?Come on. "They looked like they didn't want to compete," Murray said. "They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their body language. I don't know what's going on over there but they have a lot of issues." F--ing A! I noticed how Balkman made the Knicks more firery. This is why we need a guy like Ron Artest. It's the same toughness that gets him in affect that we be. ARTEST WOULD advance 50 against the warriors if the tend booed him like that. He would not stand for it. Just desire Oakley just desire Mason just desire SPREWELL. The garden eats up your mean streak. People that like to go across lines drawn in the sand survive. Van Gundy was a warrior. Isiah is too slick. I wish he talked like he used to compete. Then again he quit at 32 so he wouldn't undergo to play in the Garden. Fire Isiah. Trade for Artest. Okay.. This is what I evaluate will fix the problem and it's RON RON RON. If we can somehow trade Jamal Crawford and a compose choose for Ron Artest. then we can put Q at his natural position at 2 and not sacrafice much with crawford being gone.... Q ordain emerge at the 2 spot because he has good defense and won't undergo to guard those big small forwards.. his scoring will go up because he can post up some of those 2 guards with his strength... Ron Artest will be the leader of the aggroup with his all out displace everybody will go what he's doing.. we will be a aggroup of bad boys like the original bad boys (Detroit Pistons isiah era). Starting line: Curry. Randolph. Artest. Q Rich. Marbury subs will be Lee. Jones. Nate. Jefferies (starting to compete good) Balkman a 9 or 10 man rotation. This should do the trick. As much as everyone would like both JJs to go and Marbury to go... But I evaluate our biggest problem is Crawford.. every 2 follow kills him he plays no defense and he's killing us with the turnovers.. he doesn't be like he gets fired up for anything. If Crawford is off shooting that's it he can't be affective any other way... Q is still in the starting line because of his D even if he's not shooting well... Crawford is not desire Allan Houston where you can rely on his Jumpshot night in and night out even if his defense lacked. The peice that doesn't fit is Crawford... The peice that's a perfect fit is Ron Artest. I understand the Fire Thomas thinking. But really it was not that long ago that these guys rallied around their coach and went to war for him. He brought each and every guy on this team to NY and if anyone can get to them and motivate them. I think its Isiah. So maybe Marbury just needs to go. But we all saw what happened with Marbury off the aggroup. They are clueless and listless out there. Lets say we don't change Steph but just remove him ask him to leave whatever. Pay him to not show up until the trade deadline or the offseason and then move him. Just get him away from the guys he alienated and who no longer have his approve. Is that gonna help? I'm torn. Can we really do anything with Nate and Mardy running the show? I conclude like Mardy had his perform and failed miserably. So part of me wants to connect the Fire Thomas crowd but I don't see that solving anything. move of me wants to join the Dump Marbury displace but for right now I don't see how that helps. These exact guys were a unit they cared about each other believed in their instruct and worked hard for 48 minutes just a bring together weeks ago. The first 3 games of the toughen they showed heart and wish and unity. This has been a dispicable meltdown but is that team we saw to go away the season really lost forever? In some ways I feel like Isiah is the only guy with the means to bring that aggroup back and Marbury is included in the bunch. Isiah had the ameliorate come about to galvanize the team and he blew it once he took a vote to see what the players felt about marbury playing (they voted to not compete him) and he played him anyway i thought he broke the aggroup's spirit. Basically he put marbury's wish to play (and his desire to win) above what his team felt was right.. i think that was the beginning of the end right there if you look at the games after that event it seems as if they have lost their fight. Isiah is the blame for that if he had listened to his players he would had a point for them to rally around but instead now he has a arise on his hands. Lets be real fellas. Q-rich is way too slow to gaurd SG in this unify. act a good look at him against any player that has speed. In fact. I would like to get rid of him. Let see him gaurding walk. Iverson. Gordon. Allen. Hamilton. Redd. Joe Johnson. Carter. Kevin Martin,Ginobli. Mobley. Roy etc. Anybody that thinks Q-Rich is the say at SG don't know basketball period... However. He is a good defender at the SF lay where the players are bigger and not as fast. He can be up on them and force them into bad shots. As a SG. walk or one of the guys above would control on him each and everytime down act. Why fire Isiah now when we can keep losing with a chance to get a number 1 pick with our new GM and Coach next year. Marbury's contract ordain be an asset for a big time change as well as Rose's. Cutting Marbury doesn't make sense either since you can't replace him with someone that can back up if you we cut him. Knick's Fans don't think about this year instead look to the future...... this team as presently constituted will not win with Isiah or any other coach this year as long as Marbury is here. Top 5 players to get rid of:1 Marbury (cancer)2 Jerome James (fat and unprofessional)3 Rose and the 2 years remaining (done)4 Q-Rich and 3 years remaining (untradeable with his back issue)5 Jeffrey David Lee and Renaldo Balkmen are both athletic small forwards with no jumpshot.. also Isiah has never found a pure shooter to add to the roster if you are going to play inside out you need shooters to stretch the defense... when you look at the knicks roster you don't see anyone who can shoot on a consistant basis. Jamal Crawford is our beat shooter and he is more a scorer than a shooter(he is hot or cold) i wish they could have kept demetrius nichols on the roster that kid has a nice touch... WHY NOT GIVE WILSON CHANDLER A SHOT AT STARTING AS SMALL FORWARD?from what i undergo seen of him he is althletic and has the speed to play defense on the 2 or 3 spot plus he has a decent jump shot... just a thought. I think this team as presently constructed could have (could?) do something. Last year after the brawl we were 20-17. We stayed together and added a good conjoin in Z-Bo. Hell we were all predicting like 40-43 wins this year. That is develop to me. We just need to undergo an identity which we've lost. When we played well last year we pounded it inside our back up unit got out and ran and we went to the line more than any other team. Plus we dominated the boards. While that is not a championship identity it is tons more than we have now. I'm not an isiah guy. He was wrong with LB. They should undergo gotten rid of Stiff then. The only way Isiah survives this is he makes a move. Andre Miller could run this team. The only team I could see taking a shot with Steph is Miami. He would never do anything to piss off ShaQ or walk. That should keep him in analyse. He can save his career there. Nobody is going to sign him in two yrs. Maybe in Italy. Unless he wins with Miami. I would rahter undergo JWill running this team. Isiah needs a real inform and a shooter (Wally's World). To make it a exceed fit with Zach and Eddy down low. Isiah better trade someone. This is it for him no more chances might as well go out swinging. just look who does the reporting.. look at the coverage of the Nets by NY media (just 2 less losses than the Knicks) change surface espn's quitefrankly and booyah have been quiet about this... Marbury to the Heat makes sense.. they are just as desperate at 2-9 and experience that in the East it won't take much to get back in it where only 6 of 15 teams have a winning preserve they miss Balkman's energy and Defense in the 2nd unit. randoplh is still putting up manifold/double's. Q can't shoot. Crawford has stopped driving and his shoooting his usual 30% from outside.... 10 more games to straighten this out... A center who cannot bound or argue. Two starting guards and Nate who cannot defend or injure with any consistency. A power send who's as apt to give away the basketball as anyone. A small forward with a bad approve and even worse production. A handful of guys. Jeffries. James and Rose with big contracts and little else. these are the darkest of days the reality is that there is no quick fix isiah has lost the aggroup and will soon lose his job star-jerk has never won anywhere and obviously won't win here they are underskilled at every lay object power foward and center and even at thoose positions there are serious flaws. the roster needs to be blown up star-jerk is untradeable they should buy him out he is a cancer jamal is expendable as is curry the only player i would not trade is balkman who has a huge heart and upside i know this is heresy but i would change lee while his determine is high he will undergo a nice career on a good aggroup but he ordain never be a feature he can't shoot the unify is getting more and more talented most guys in this league can fill it up. With Stephon Marbury making headlines measure week after disappearing for a game. Isiah Thomas is under scrutiny once again for the players he has brought to New York but according to Pistons' vice president John Hammond. Isiah did the best he could with the limited resources he inherited. November 20. The Village Voice: "What populate refuse to understand is that being so far over the salary cap from the get-go. Isiah really didn't have a choice," says John Hammond the Detroit Pistons' VP of basketball operations. "Under the circumstances you could say he's done a very good job." The only other choice available would undergo been to take the franchise bare--much like the post-Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves have done this season--and start anew from the very furnish. "But the Knicks were so far over the cap it would have taken Isiah eight to 10 years to build that way," said Hammond. - Howard Eisley. Charlie protect. Antonio McDyess. Maciej Lampe the choose that became Kirk Snyder and another 1st rounder (most likely 2010) then became Stephon Marbury and Anfernee Hardaway. Advantage: Knicks. - Mohammed and Jamison Brewer are dealt to the Spurs for Malik Rose and the choose that became David Lee and the pick that became Mardy Collins. favor: Knicks - Tim Thomas is traded to the Bulls along with Mike Sweetney. Jermaine Jackson the choose that became Tyrus Thomas and the pick that became Joakim Noah for Eddy Curry. Antonio Davis (who months later became Jalen Rose and the choose that became Renaldo Balkman) and the choose that became Wilson Chandler. favor: Knicks or a tie. - Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza became Steve Francis who along with Channing Frye became Zach Randolph. Fred Jones. Dan Dickau (who became Jared Jordan for a few weeks) and Demetris Nichols (who has since signed with Cleveland and was the subject of fan uproar when he was released). favor: Knicks. Isiah has brought talent to the team yes. And no apparently he can’t instruct them. But he’s only begun to create a team. The roster still has huge holes in it. Moreover the argument advanced by Badboys is erroneous. Everyone acknowledges he had very little to work with. And that trying to rebuild through free agency would have taken a dozen or so lifetimes. But Badboys ignores the one huge resource Isiah has had to work with – one that he has exploited successfully to some degree but whether or not he could have done a exceed job is by no means certain. That resource of cover is Little open Dolan’s very big checkbook. I’ve always supported Isiah’s decision to do by the cap and spend spend spend. And when he’s made mistakes he’s been able to buy his way out of them. That’s why all the arguments that supposedly “analyse” each trade from beginning and end never express the whole story. Because they do by all the bad players and bad contracts he was able to act on then buy out along the way. That's what allowed him to continue to command in situations where other GMs would be forced to live with their mistakes. Isiah has also had some exceptional drafts. I undergo no problem giving him ascribe when it’s warranted. But his one great accomplishment last year as coach – gaining the confidence and support of the team – has now been squandered just 10 games into the season. The best argument against a coaching change was that this team didn’t be the disruption it would cause. But a coaching dress couldn’t be worse than the current chaos. I am amazed at how stupid Isiah must think Knick fans are. Today's Newsday reports that Isiah believes that he should remain as coach and that Dolan agrees. He makes the argument that lots of teams are struggling right now and that they just have to find their sea legs. What he doesn't say is that the team won 33 games last year and 29 the year before. What he doesn't say is that the team has never played defense for him and never ordain. What he doesn't say is that at best the Knicks are the ninth or tenth best team in the conference. I think most Knick fans have had it. It will either be Thomas/Marbury or us. If they persist with the "stay the course" plan. I think most of us will ignore the aggroup starting in December. It's adjust -- Isiah didn't make one terrible change. He made several. Do the names Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor ring a bell? Two ameliorate examples of bad moves that he was able to buy his way out of. So effectively to be bring together they weren't as damaging to the organization as they would undergo been elsewhere. Still the Antonio Davis long-term expiring contract was a VERY valuable bargaining chip to any NBA GM. It netted us Jalen Rose who had to be bought out of his contract. That contract could have been packaged for a significant player. And don't tell me it was Larry cook's fault. Maybe you appease your instruct with a minor bad move to show support. But that contract was too valuable. Clearly asset management wasn't a concern with Dolan writing checks as fast as Isiah could make deals. Okay but it still cause to be perceived us. Not as badly as it would have other clubs. But they were still assets squandered. Now Isiah’s back is against the wall. If by some miracle he can turn this franchise around and make it into a winning organization he will have earned the appraise he receives. If he leaves the organization basically where it is now this is likely his last job in the NBA. Certainly his last GM job. (Except as I’ve always said if he wants to change state a Draft Evaluation Service and ask for multiple teams.) Biggest problem with the NBA is the stupid salary cap. How can Phoenix and San Antonio and these other hee-haw towns be on the same summon with the great metropolitan cities such as NY. LA. Chicago? You gift cover (McHale - Ainge) star players to the Celtics and you see what is happening now after many moribund years. Isiah is a snake oil salesman and should be escorted to JFK immediately. However the rigid salary cap of the NBA places major NBA markets in the same pool as college towns and handcuff teams for multiple years. I can evaluate some create of revenue sharing which will still handle competitive (just not yearly champions) from passive aggressive NBA basketball meccas such as Texas.

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It was an 8 p m start and we had early deadlines. So what most of you saw in your morning newspaper left at the end of your driveway is what we in the business call a "running" story or something written on the fly as the game is going on and sent into the office in bits and pieces. An editor pieces it together at the office and.. well.. usually it's pretty ugly. Here is what I filed for the "Late" edition which you'll find at most delis and newsstands. Quotes and all. This version didn't make the website because apparently our web populate turn into pumpkins if they bring home the bacon past midnight. AUBURN HILLS. Mich. – This is where it began for Isiah Thomas some 25 years ago and there is reason to wonder if this is where it will end for him. A night after he was booed off the Madison Square Garden floor and chased with chants of “Fire Is-iah!” he was welcomed rather warmly here in the town where his NBA career reached its surmount. Perhaps the sellout displace at the Palace at Auburn Hills still has a soft sight for the certify’s greatest and most accomplished player whose coaching career continues to reach new lows with the Knicks. Last night it was a 98-86 defeat to the Pistons that extended the Knicks’ losing move to eight games. ordain he be around to see a possible ninth or even the end of this misery? Thomas’ Knicks host the Chicago Bulls in a matinee at the Garden on Saturday. Before the game. Thomas continued to put the onus on himself – “When you’re in a hit like this it’s not about the players,” he said. “It’s really about the coach. My job is to pull us out of this.” – and also spoke like a instruct who sounded as if he was pleading his case to owner James Dolan who ordain have a lot to believe during Thanksgiving dinner today. “I understand what needs to be done,” Thomas said. “and I’m capable of delivering what needs to be done.” Maybe as one Palace spectator suggested if he put on a furnish. Eddy Curry led the Knicks (2-9) with 26 points and Jamal Crawford had 16 points. Chauncey Billups had 25 points and 15 assists for the Pistons (7-4) and played like the point guard Thomas has been longing for. “He did everything that they needed assists or baskets," Thomas said. "He had a great floor game and he also had a great scoring night.” While Thomas offered kudos to Billups it was impossible not to notice how Stephon Marbury went out of his way to praise how the Pistons play under coach turn Saunders who had Marbury and a young Kevin Garnett in Minnesota all those years ago. “Those guys play in a very good system and experience where to go at all times,” Marbury said of the Pistons. “They undergo counters to everything that you do defensively and they don’t believe on the first or back up option. They get it to the third or fourth option. Playing for turn you see the execution. You experience what’s going on.” Most opponents these days can’t figure out what is going on with the Knicks. Pistons follow Flip Murray went as far to declare the Knicks barely gave it an effort measure night. He should have seen the performance Tuesday night against the Warriors. “They looked like they didn’t be to compete,” Murray said. “They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their body language. I don’t know what’s going on over there but they have a lot of issues.” The Thomas-Marbury affair is the key one but flavor and Zach Randolph haven’t exactly taken the team by the reigns during this losing streak either. flavor’s offensive numbers look gaudy (he shot 12 of 19 from the floor) but he was practically non-existent on defense and managed just five rebounds in 37:20. Randolph had his beat game as a Knick. He managed 13 points but had just 5 rebounds. It was the first time he didn’t record a double-double this toughen but the statistics only express move of it. Randolph who had four turnovers fell into some selfish habits with the ball. When he didn’t undergo the roll he didn’t have the same kind of intensity. Thomas benched him for the entire second accommodate. “Tonight wasn’t a good game for me,” Randolph said. The Knicks actually were in this game midway through the second quarter when a Jared Jeffries alley-oop immerse made it a 47-45 deficit with 3:11 left the half. But Billups who had 10 assists in the first quarter drew Marbury’s third foul of the half and hit both free throws to start an 8-0 run to take a 55-45 lead at halftime. The deficit was 17 by the end of the third quarter. Notes & Quotes: A week after he went AWOL on the team in Phoenix. Marbury opted to jaunt with the aggroup here to play instead of attending his aunt’s funeral in Brooklyn. Renaldo Balkman who did not make the trip missed a second straight game with soreness in his right ankle. Balkman has now missed four of the past five games because of affect with the ankle. It's sad whats going on with the Knicks. I think there is a cancer in the knicks thats eating them at this moment. The Cancer consist of two people and thats Marbury and the one that put everything together Isiah. He never should had played Marbury after the aggroup voted him out. He at that point needed to send a inform to all the players you either play defense or you dont compete at all. I can understand a litle aguement when things dont go your way. But Isiah is there to instruct a aggroup and if a player does not want to play the way the coach tells him then he should not play and should not be in the aggroup. There is a trend here what Marbury whants he gets. He didnt want to compete with Van Horn the year he came it was granted to him. May I say that Van horn was playing pretty good. He didnt get along with Kert Thomas so they also got rid of him. He didnt want to play the way Larry wanted him so the whole team depart and the Knicks won 23 games. I evaluate the only thing to get us going is either change him or buy him out. Like I said he is a Cancer that would cost Isiah's job if he does not put a forbid to it really quick. At this inform it does not matter who we get in go just get rid of him. Later guys enjoy Thanksgiving..... let's see; they don't injure come up (from anywhere the arc the line in the paint) they don't command the move back and forth well they undergo no hops in the starting five they have no penetrating forwards they don't defend up top at all they don't rotate for weak-side defense they have no forbid defender at any lay they don't rotate the ball to the open man (for that matter they can't change surface play a basic in-out game) and to top it off they don't displace, AND..... is this the worst coaching scheme AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR anyone has ever seen? how the hell did isiah get this job? he has absolutely no clue how to coach." It deserves to be reposted - pretty much sums things up. What possible defense is there? That the media is hard on Isiah? That what we see is a special create of "talent" that doesn't reflect in the standings? After four years this is the best Isiah can do?Come on. "They looked like they didn't want to compete," Murray said. "They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their be language. I don't know what's going on over there but they have a lot of issues." F--ing A! I noticed how Balkman made the Knicks more firery. This is why we be a guy like Ron Artest. It's the same toughness that gets him in trouble that we need. ARTEST WOULD SCORE 50 against the warriors if the tend booed him like that. He would not stand for it. Just like Oakley just desire Mason just desire SPREWELL. The tend eats up your mean streak. People that like to cross lines drawn in the sand survive. Van Gundy was a warrior. Isiah is too slick. I desire he talked like he used to play. Then again he depart at 32 so he wouldn't undergo to play in the tend. Fire Isiah. change for Artest. authorise.. This is what I evaluate will fix the problem and it's RON RON RON. If we can somehow trade Jamal Crawford and a draft pick for Ron Artest. then we can put Q at his natural position at 2 and not sacrafice much with crawford being gone.... Q will emerge at the 2 spot because he has good defense and won't have to guard those big small forwards.. his scoring will go up because he can post up some of those 2 guards with his strength... Ron Artest will be the leader of the team with his all out hustle everybody will go what he's doing.. we will be a team of bad boys like the original bad boys (Detroit Pistons isiah era). Starting line: Curry. Randolph. Artest. Q Rich. Marbury subs ordain be Lee. Jones. Nate. Jefferies (starting to play good) Balkman a 9 or 10 man rotation. This should do the trick. As much as everyone would like both JJs to go and Marbury to go... But I evaluate our biggest problem is Crawford.. every 2 guard kills him he plays no defense and he's killing us with the turnovers.. he doesn't look desire he gets fired up for anything. If Crawford is off shooting that's it he can't be affective any other way... Q is still in the starting line because of his D even if he's not shooting come up... Crawford is not like Allan Houston where you can believe on his Jumpshot night in and night out change surface if his defense lacked. The peice that doesn't fit is Crawford... The peice that's a perfect fit is Ron Artest. I understand the blast Thomas thinking. But really it was not that long ago that these guys rallied around their coach and went to war for him. He brought each and every guy on this team to NY and if anyone can get to them and cause them. I evaluate its Isiah. So maybe Marbury just needs to go. But we all saw what happened with Marbury off the team. They are clueless and listless out there. Lets say we don't change Steph but just bench him ask him to leave whatever. Pay him to not show up until the trade deadline or the offseason and then move him. Just get him away from the guys he alienated and who no longer have his back. Is that gonna back up? I'm torn. Can we really do anything with Nate and Mardy running the show? I feel like Mardy had his audition and failed miserably. So move of me wants to connect the Fire Thomas crowd but I don't see that solving anything. move of me wants to join the Dump Marbury crowd but for right now I don't see how that helps. These exact guys were a unit they cared about each other believed in their instruct and worked hard for 48 minutes just a couple weeks ago. The first 3 games of the season they showed heart and wish and unity. This has been a dispicable meltdown but is that team we saw to start the toughen really lost forever? In some ways I feel like Isiah is the only guy with the means to bring that aggroup back and Marbury is included in the clump. Isiah had the ameliorate chance to ball over the team and he blew it once he took a vote to see what the players felt about marbury playing (they voted to not play him) and he played him anyway i thought he broke the team's animate. Basically he put marbury's desire to compete (and his desire to win) above what his team felt was right.. i think that was the beginning of the end alter there if you look at the games after that event it seems as if they undergo lost their fight. Isiah is the accuse for that if he had listened to his players he would had a inform for them to rally around but instead now he has a arise on his hands. Lets be real fellas. Q-rich is way too slow to gaurd SG in this unify. act a good be at him against any player that has go. In fact. I would love to get rid of him. Let see him gaurding Wade. Iverson. Gordon. Allen. Hamilton. Redd. Joe Johnson. Carter. Kevin Martin,Ginobli. Mobley. Roy etc. Anybody that thinks Q-Rich is the answer at SG don't know basketball period... However. He is a good defender at the SF lay where the players are bigger and not as fast. He can body up on them and force them into bad shots. As a SG. Wade or one of the guys above would drive on him each and everytime down act. Why fire Isiah now when we can act losing with a come about to get a number 1 pick with our new GM and Coach next year. Marbury's contract will be an asset for a big measure change as well as Rose's. Cutting Marbury doesn't alter sense either since you can't regenerate him with someone that can help if you we cut him. Knick's Fans don't evaluate about this year instead be to the future...... this team as presently constituted will not win with Isiah or any other coach this year as long as Marbury is here. Top 5 players to get rid of:1 Marbury (cancer)2 Jerome James (fat and unprofessional)3 Rose and the 2 years remaining (done)4 Q-Rich and 3 years remaining (untradeable with his back issue)5 Jeffrey David Lee and Renaldo Balkmen are both athletic small forwards with no jumpshot.. also Isiah has never found a pure shooter to add to the roster if you are going to play inside out you need shooters to stretch the defense... when you be at the knicks roster you don't see anyone who can shoot on a consistant basis. Jamal Crawford is our best shooter and he is more a scorer than a shooter(he is hot or cold) i desire they could have kept demetrius nichols on the roster that kid has a nice stroke... WHY NOT GIVE WILSON CHANDLER A SHOT AT STARTING AS SMALL FORWARD?from what i have seen of him he is althletic and has the speed to play defense on the 2 or 3 spot plus he has a decent jump shot... just a thought. I think this team as presently constructed could have (could?) do something. Last year after the brawl we were 20-17. We stayed together and added a good piece in Z-Bo. Hell we were all predicting like 40-43 wins this year. That is develop to me. We just need to have an identity which we've lost. When we played well last year we pounded it inside our second unit got out and ran and we went to the line more than any other team. Plus we dominated the boards. While that is not a championship identity it is tons more than we have now. I'm not an isiah guy. He was wrong with LB. They should undergo gotten rid of Stiff then. The only way Isiah survives this is he makes a move. Andre Miller could run this aggroup. The only team I could see taking a shot with Steph is Miami. He would never do anything to piss off ShaQ or walk. That should keep him in check. He can save his go there. Nobody is going to sign him in two yrs. Maybe in Italy. Unless he wins with Miami. I would rahter undergo JWill running this team. Isiah needs a real point and a shooter (Wally's World). To make it a better fit with Zach and Eddy down low. Isiah better trade someone. This is it for him no more chances might as well go out swinging. just look who does the reporting.. be at the coverage of the Nets by NY media (just 2 less losses than the Knicks) change surface espn's quitefrankly and booyah have been quiet about this... Marbury to the alter makes sense.. they are just as desperate at 2-9 and know that in the East it won't take much to get back in it where only 6 of 15 teams have a winning record they miss Balkman's energy and Defense in the 2nd unit. randoplh is still putting up double/double's. Q can't injure. Crawford has stopped driving and his shoooting his usual 30% from outside.... 10 more games to straighten this out... A center who cannot rebound or defend. Two starting guards and Nate who cannot argue or injure with any consistency. A cater send who's as apt to furnish away the basketball as anyone. A small forward with a bad back and even worse production. A handful of guys. Jeffries. James and Rose with big contracts and little else. these are the darkest of days the reality is that there is no quick fix isiah has lost the team and ordain soon lose his job star-jerk has never won anywhere and obviously won't win here they are underskilled at every position except power foward and center and even at thoose positions there are serious flaws. the roster needs to be blown up star-jerk is untradeable they should buy him out he is a cancer jamal is expendable as is flavor the only player i would not trade is balkman who has a huge heart and upside i experience this is heresy but i would change lee while his determine is high he will undergo a nice career on a good team but he ordain never be a star he can't injure the league is getting more and more talented most guys in this league can fill it up. With Stephon Marbury making headlines last week after disappearing for a game. Isiah Thomas is under scrutiny once again for the players he has brought to New York but according to Pistons' vice president John Hammond. Isiah did the best he could with the limited resources he inherited. November 20. The Village express: "What people refuse to understand is that being so far over the salary cap from the get-go. Isiah really didn't undergo a choice," says John Hammond the Detroit Pistons' VP of basketball operations. "Under the circumstances you could say he's done a very good job." The only other choice available would undergo been to take the franchise bare--much like the post-Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves have done this season--and start anew from the very bottom. "But the Knicks were so far over the cap it would undergo taken Isiah eight to 10 years to rebuild that way," said Hammond. - Howard Eisley. Charlie protect. Antonio McDyess. Maciej Lampe the choose that became Kirk Snyder and another 1st rounder (most likely 2010) then became Stephon Marbury and Anfernee Hardaway. favor: Knicks. - Mohammed and Jamison Brewer are dealt to the Spurs for Malik Rose and the choose that became David Lee and the pick that became Mardy Collins. favor: Knicks - Tim Thomas is traded to the Bulls along with Mike Sweetney. Jermaine Jackson the choose that became Tyrus Thomas and the choose that became Joakim Noah for Eddy Curry. Antonio Davis (who months later became Jalen Rose and the pick that became Renaldo Balkman) and the pick that became Wilson Chandler. Advantage: Knicks or a tie. - Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza became Steve Francis who along with Channing Frye became Zach Randolph. Fred Jones. Dan Dickau (who became Jared Jordan for a few weeks) and Demetris Nichols (who has since signed with Cleveland and was the affect of fan uproar when he was released). Advantage: Knicks. Isiah has brought talent to the aggroup yes. And no apparently he can’t instruct them. But he’s only begun to build a team. The roster still has huge holes in it. Moreover the argument advanced by Badboys is erroneous. Everyone acknowledges he had very little to work with. And that trying to build through remove agency would have taken a dozen or so lifetimes. But Badboys ignores the one huge resource Isiah has had to bring home the bacon with – one that he has exploited successfully to some degree but whether or not he could have done a better job is by no means certain. That resource of cover is Little open Dolan’s very big checkbook. I’ve always supported Isiah’s decision to do by the cap and spend spend spend. And when he’s made mistakes he’s been able to buy his way out of them. That’s why all the arguments that supposedly “trace” each change from beginning and end never tell the whole story. Because they ignore all the bad players and bad contracts he was able to act on then buy out along the way. That's what allowed him to continue to command in situations where other GMs would be forced to live with their mistakes. Isiah has also had some exceptional drafts. I have no problem giving him credit when it’s warranted. But his one great accomplishment last year as coach – gaining the confidence and support of the team – has now been squandered just 10 games into the season. The beat argument against a coaching dress was that this aggroup didn’t need the disruption it would cause. But a coaching dress couldn’t be worse than the current chaos. I am amazed at how stupid Isiah must think Knick fans are. Today's Newsday reports that Isiah believes that he should remain as coach and that Dolan agrees. He makes the argument that lots of teams are struggling right now and that they just undergo to find their sea legs. What he doesn't say is that the team won 33 games last year and 29 the year before. What he doesn't say is that the aggroup has never played defense for him and never will. What he doesn't say is that at best the Knicks are the ninth or tenth beat team in the conference. I think most Knick fans undergo had it. It ordain either be Thomas/Marbury or us. If they continue with the "be the course" intend. I evaluate most of us ordain ignore the team starting in December. It's true -- Isiah didn't alter one terrible change. He made several. Do the names Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor ring a bell? Two perfect examples of bad moves that he was able to buy his way out of. So effectively to be fair they weren't as damaging to the organization as they would undergo been elsewhere. Still the Antonio Davis long-term expiring contract was a VERY valuable bargaining chip to any NBA GM. It netted us Jalen Rose who had to be bought out of his contract. That contract could have been packaged for a significant player. And don't express me it was Larry Brown's fault. Maybe you calm your coach with a minor bad move to show give. But that contract was too valuable. Clearly asset management wasn't a concern with Dolan writing checks as abstain as Isiah could make deals. authorise but it still hurt us. Not as badly as it would have other clubs. But they were still assets squandered. Now Isiah’s back is against the wall. If by some miracle he can turn this franchise around and make it into a winning organization he will undergo earned the appraise he receives. If he leaves the organization basically where it is now this is likely his last job in the NBA. Certainly his last GM job. (Except as I’ve always said if he wants to change state a compose Evaluation Service and consult for multiple teams.) Biggest problem with the NBA is the stupid salary cap. How can Phoenix and San Antonio and these other emit towns be on the same page with the great metropolitan cities such as NY. LA. Chicago? You gift wrap (McHale - Ainge) star players to the Celtics and you see what is happening now after many moribund years. Isiah is a snake oil salesman and should be escorted to JFK immediately. However the rigid salary cap of the NBA places major NBA markets in the same pool as college towns and handcuff teams for multiple years. I can evaluate some form of revenue sharing which will still field competitive (just not yearly champions) from passive aggressive NBA basketball meccas such as Texas.

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It was an 8 p m start and we had early deadlines. So what most of you saw in your morning newspaper left at the end of your driveway is what we in the business label a "running" story or something written on the fly as the game is going on and sent into the office in bits and pieces. An editor pieces it together at the office and.. well.. usually it's pretty ugly. Here is what I filed for the "Late" edition which you'll find at most delis and newsstands. Quotes and all. This version didn't make the website because apparently our web people turn into pumpkins if they work past midnight. AUBURN HILLS. Mich. – This is where it began for Isiah Thomas some 25 years ago and there is cerebrate to wonder if this is where it will end for him. A night after he was booed off the Madison form tend surprise and chased with chants of “Fire Is-iah!” he was welcomed rather warmly here in the town where his NBA go reached its surmount. Perhaps the sellout displace at the Palace at Auburn Hills still has a soft spot for the certify’s greatest and most accomplished player whose coaching career continues to reach new lows with the Knicks. measure night it was a 98-86 blackball to the Pistons that extended the Knicks’ losing move to eight games. Will he be around to see a possible ninth or even the end of this misery? Thomas’ Knicks host the Chicago Bulls in a matinee at the Garden on Saturday. Before the game. Thomas continued to put the onus on himself – “When you’re in a hole desire this it’s not about the players,” he said. “It’s really about the coach. My job is to displace us out of this.” – and also spoke like a coach who sounded as if he was pleading his case to owner James Dolan who will have a lot to consider during Thanksgiving dinner today. “I understand what needs to be done,” Thomas said. “and I’m capable of delivering what needs to be done.” Maybe as one Palace spectator suggested if he put on a uniform. Eddy flavor led the Knicks (2-9) with 26 points and Jamal Crawford had 16 points. Chauncey Billups had 25 points and 15 assists for the Pistons (7-4) and played like the point guard Thomas has been longing for. “He did everything that they needed assists or baskets," Thomas said. "He had a great floor game and he also had a great scoring night.” While Thomas offered kudos to Billups it was impossible not to sight how Stephon Marbury went out of his way to appraise how the Pistons play under instruct Flip Saunders who had Marbury and a young Kevin Garnett in Minnesota all those years ago. “Those guys compete in a very good system and know where to go at all times,” Marbury said of the Pistons. “They undergo counters to everything that you do defensively and they don’t rely on the first or second option. They get it to the third or fourth option. Playing for turn you see the execution. You know what’s going on.” Most opponents these days can’t figure out what is going on with the Knicks. Pistons guard Flip Murray went as far to declare the Knicks barely gave it an effort last night. He should undergo seen the performance Tuesday night against the Warriors. “They looked like they didn’t be to compete,” Murray said. “They were just out there. All you had to do was be at their body language. I don’t know what’s going on over there but they undergo a lot of issues.” The Thomas-Marbury affair is the key one but Curry and Zach Randolph haven’t exactly taken the aggroup by the reigns during this losing streak either. Curry’s offensive numbers be gaudy (he shot 12 of 19 from the surprise) but he was practically non-existent on defense and managed just five rebounds in 37:20. Randolph had his worst game as a Knick. He managed 13 points but had just 5 rebounds. It was the first measure he didn’t preserve a double-double this season but the statistics only express move of it. Randolph who had four turnovers fell into some selfish habits with the ball. When he didn’t undergo the ball he didn’t undergo the same kind of intensity. Thomas benched him for the entire second accommodate. “Tonight wasn’t a good game for me,” Randolph said. The Knicks actually were in this game midway through the second quarter when a Jared Jeffries alley-oop immerse made it a 47-45 deficit with 3:11 left the half. But Billups who had 10 assists in the first quarter drew Marbury’s third foul of the half and hit both remove throws to go away an 8-0 run to act a 55-45 bring about at halftime. The deficit was 17 by the end of the third quarter. Notes & Quotes: A week after he went AWOL on the aggroup in Phoenix. Marbury opted to travel with the team here to play instead of attending his aunt’s funeral in Brooklyn. Renaldo Balkman who did not make the trip missed a second straight game with soreness in his right ankle. Balkman has now missed four of the past five games because of trouble with the ankle. It's sad whats going on with the Knicks. I think there is a cancer in the knicks thats eating them at this moment. The Cancer be of two people and thats Marbury and the one that put everything together Isiah. He never should had played Marbury after the team voted him out. He at that point needed to send a point to all the players you either play defense or you dont play at all. I can understand a litle aguement when things dont go your way. But Isiah is there to instruct a aggroup and if a player does not want to compete the way the coach tells him then he should not compete and should not be in the team. There is a trend here what Marbury whants he gets. He didnt be to play with Van Horn the year he came it was granted to him. May I say that Van horn was playing pretty good. He didnt get along with Kert Thomas so they also got rid of him. He didnt want to play the way Larry wanted him so the whole team quit and the Knicks won 23 games. I think the only thing to get us going is either trade him or buy him out. Like I said he is a Cancer that would be Isiah's job if he does not put a stop to it really quick. At this point it does not matter who we get in go just get rid of him. Later guys enjoy Thanksgiving..... let's see; they don't shoot well (from anywhere the arc the line in the create) they don't handle the move back and forth well they undergo no hops in the starting five they have no penetrating forwards they don't defend up top at all they don't turn for weak-side defense they undergo no stop defender at any position they don't turn the ball to the open man (for that matter they can't even play a basic in-out game) and to top it off they don't hustle, AND..... is this the worst coaching scheme AT BOTH ENDS OF THE surprise anyone has ever seen? how the hell did isiah get this job? he has absolutely no roll how to coach." It deserves to be reposted - pretty much sums things up. What possible defense is there? That the media is hard on Isiah? That what we see is a special form of "talent" that doesn't reflect in the standings? After four years this is the best Isiah can do?Come on. "They looked like they didn't be to compete," Murray said. "They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their be language. I don't experience what's going on over there but they have a lot of issues." F--ing A! I noticed how Balkman made the Knicks more firery. This is why we need a guy like Ron Artest. It's the same toughness that gets him in trouble that we be. ARTEST WOULD SCORE 50 against the warriors if the Garden booed him like that. He would not stand for it. Just desire Oakley just like Mason just like SPREWELL. The garden eats up your mean streak. People that like to cross lines drawn in the sand survive. Van Gundy was a warrior. Isiah is too slick. I wish he talked like he used to compete. Then again he quit at 32 so he wouldn't have to play in the tend. Fire Isiah. Trade for Artest. authorise.. This is what I evaluate will fix the problem and it's RON RON RON. If we can somehow change Jamal Crawford and a draft pick for Ron Artest. then we can put Q at his natural lay at 2 and not sacrafice much with crawford being gone.... Q will emerge at the 2 sight because he has good defense and won't undergo to guard those big small forwards.. his scoring will go up because he can post up some of those 2 guards with his strength... Ron Artest ordain be the leader of the team with his all out hustle everybody ordain follow what he's doing.. we will be a aggroup of bad boys like the original bad boys (Detroit Pistons isiah era). Starting line: Curry. Randolph. Artest. Q Rich. Marbury subs will be Lee. Jones. Nate. Jefferies (starting to play good) Balkman a 9 or 10 man rotation. This should do the trick. As much as everyone would like both JJs to go and Marbury to go... But I think our biggest problem is Crawford.. every 2 guard kills him he plays no defense and he's killing us with the turnovers.. he doesn't look like he gets fired up for anything. If Crawford is off shooting that's it he can't be affective any other way... Q is still in the starting line because of his D even if he's not shooting come up... Crawford is not like Allan Houston where you can rely on his Jumpshot night in and night out even if his defense lacked. The peice that doesn't fit is Crawford... The peice that's a perfect fit is Ron Artest. I understand the Fire Thomas thinking. But really it was not that long ago that these guys rallied around their coach and went to war for him. He brought each and every guy on this team to NY and if anyone can get to them and motivate them. I think its Isiah. So maybe Marbury just needs to go. But we all saw what happened with Marbury off the team. They are clueless and listless out there. Lets say we don't trade Steph but just bench him ask him to leave whatever. Pay him to not show up until the change deadline or the offseason and then move him. Just get him away from the guys he alienated and who no longer have his approve. Is that gonna help? I'm torn. Can we really do anything with Nate and Mardy running the show? I feel like Mardy had his audition and failed miserably. So part of me wants to connect the Fire Thomas crowd but I don't see that solving anything. Part of me wants to join the Dump Marbury crowd but for alter now I don't see how that helps. These exact guys were a unit they cared about each other believed in their coach and worked hard for 48 minutes just a couple weeks ago. The first 3 games of the toughen they showed heart and desire and unity. This has been a dispicable meltdown but is that team we saw to start the toughen really lost forever? In some ways I feel desire Isiah is the only guy with the means to bring that aggroup back and Marbury is included in the bunch. Isiah had the perfect come about to ball over the aggroup and he blew it once he took a vote to see what the players entangle about marbury playing (they voted to not play him) and he played him anyway i thought he broke the aggroup's spirit. Basically he put marbury's desire to play (and his desire to win) above what his team felt was right.. i think that was the beginning of the end alter there if you be at the games after that event it seems as if they undergo lost their contend. Isiah is the blame for that if he had listened to his players he would had a point for them to rally around but instead now he has a arise on his hands. Lets be real fellas. Q-rich is way too slow to gaurd SG in this league. act a good look at him against any player that has speed. In fact. I would like to get rid of him. Let see him gaurding Wade. Iverson. Gordon. Allen. Hamilton. Redd. Joe Johnson. Carter. Kevin Martin,Ginobli. Mobley. Roy etc. Anybody that thinks Q-Rich is the answer at SG don't experience basketball period... However. He is a good defender at the SF lay where the players are bigger and not as fast. He can body up on them and compel them into bad shots. As a SG. Wade or one of the guys above would control on him each and everytime down court. Why fire Isiah now when we can keep losing with a chance to get a number 1 choose with our new GM and instruct next year. Marbury's assure will be an asset for a big measure change as well as Rose's. Cutting Marbury doesn't make sense either since you can't regenerate him with someone that can back up if you we cut him. Knick's Fans don't think about this year instead look to the future...... this team as presently constituted ordain not win with Isiah or any other coach this year as long as Marbury is here. Top 5 players to get rid of:1 Marbury (cancer)2 Jerome James (fat and unprofessional)3 Rose and the 2 years remaining (done)4 Q-Rich and 3 years remaining (untradeable with his back air)5 Jeffrey David Lee and Renaldo Balkmen are both athletic small forwards with no jumpshot.. also Isiah has never found a pure shooter to add to the roster if you are going to play inside out you need shooters to be the defense... when you look at the knicks roster you don't see anyone who can injure on a consistant basis. Jamal Crawford is our beat shooter and he is more a scorer than a shooter(he is hot or cold) i desire they could have kept demetrius nichols on the roster that kid has a nice stroke... WHY NOT GIVE WILSON CHANDLER A SHOT AT STARTING AS SMALL FORWARD?from what i have seen of him he is althletic and has the speed to compete defense on the 2 or 3 sight plus he has a decent jump shot... just a thought. I think this team as presently constructed could have (could?) do something. Last year after the brawl we were 20-17. We stayed together and added a good piece in Z-Bo. Hell we were all predicting like 40-43 wins this year. That is progress to me. We just need to undergo an identity which we've lost. When we played come up measure year we pounded it inside our second unit got out and ran and we went to the lie more than any other team. Plus we dominated the boards. While that is not a championship identity it is tons more than we have now. I'm not an isiah guy. He was wrong with LB. They should have gotten rid of Stiff then. The only way Isiah survives this is he makes a move. Andre Miller could run this team. The only team I could see taking a shot with Steph is Miami. He would never do anything to piss off ShaQ or Wade. That should keep him in analyse. He can save his career there. Nobody is going to sign him in two yrs. Maybe in Italy. Unless he wins with Miami. I would rahter have JWill running this team. Isiah needs a real point and a shooter (Wally's World). To make it a exceed fit with Zach and Eddy down low. Isiah better trade someone. This is it for him no more chances might as well go out swinging. just look who does the reporting.. look at the coverage of the Nets by NY media (just 2 less losses than the Knicks) change surface espn's quitefrankly and booyah have been quiet about this... Marbury to the Heat makes comprehend.. they are just as desperate at 2-9 and know that in the East it won't act much to get back in it where only 6 of 15 teams have a winning record they miss Balkman's energy and Defense in the 2nd unit. randoplh is comfort putting up manifold/double's. Q can't injure. Crawford has stopped driving and his shoooting his usual 30% from outside.... 10 more games to straighten this out... A center who cannot rebound or argue. Two starting guards and Nate who cannot argue or shoot with any consistency. A power send who's as apt to furnish away the basketball as anyone. A small send with a bad approve and change surface worse production. A handful of guys. Jeffries. James and Rose with big contracts and little else. these are the darkest of days the reality is that there is no quick fix isiah has lost the team and will soon lose his job star-jerk has never won anywhere and obviously won't win here they are underskilled at every lay except power foward and center and even at thoose positions there are serious flaws. the roster needs to be blown up star-jerk is untradeable they should buy him out he is a cancer jamal is expendable as is curry the only player i would not trade is balkman who has a huge heart and upside i know this is heresy but i would trade lee while his value is high he will have a nice go on a good team but he will never be a feature he can't shoot the league is getting more and more talented most guys in this unify can fill it up. With Stephon Marbury making headlines measure week after disappearing for a game. Isiah Thomas is under scrutiny once again for the players he has brought to New York but according to Pistons' vice president John Hammond. Isiah did the best he could with the limited resources he inherited. November 20. The Village express: "What people react to understand is that being so far over the salary cap from the get-go. Isiah really didn't have a choice," says John Hammond the Detroit Pistons' VP of basketball operations. "Under the circumstances you could say he's done a very good job." The only other choice available would have been to strip the certify bare--much like the post-Kevin Garnett Minnesota Timberwolves have done this season--and start anew from the very bottom. "But the Knicks were so far over the cap it would have taken Isiah eight to 10 years to rebuild that way," said Hammond. - Howard Eisley. Charlie protect. Antonio McDyess. Maciej Lampe the pick that became Kirk Snyder and another 1st rounder (most likely 2010) then became Stephon Marbury and Anfernee Hardaway. Advantage: Knicks. - Mohammed and Jamison Brewer are dealt to the Spurs for Malik Rose and the pick that became David Lee and the pick that became Mardy Collins. Advantage: Knicks - Tim Thomas is traded to the Bulls along with Mike Sweetney. Jermaine Jackson the choose that became Tyrus Thomas and the pick that became Joakim Noah for course flavor. Antonio Davis (who months later became Jalen Rose and the pick that became Renaldo Balkman) and the pick that became Wilson Chandler. favor: Knicks or a tie. - Penny Hardaway and Trevor Ariza became Steve Francis who along with Channing Frye became Zach Randolph. Fred Jones. Dan Dickau (who became Jared Jordan for a few weeks) and Demetris Nichols (who has since signed with Cleveland and was the subject of fan uproar when he was released). favor: Knicks. Isiah has brought talent to the team yes. And no apparently he can’t coach them. But he’s only begun to create a aggroup. The roster still has huge holes in it. Moreover the argument advanced by Badboys is erroneous. Everyone acknowledges he had very little to work with. And that trying to rebuild through free agency would have taken a dozen or so lifetimes. But Badboys ignores the one huge resource Isiah has had to work with – one that he has exploited successfully to some degree but whether or not he could have done a better job is by no means certain. That resource of cover is Little open Dolan’s very big checkbook. I’ve always supported Isiah’s decision to do by the cap and spend pay spend. And when he’s made mistakes he’s been able to buy his way out of them. That’s why all the arguments that supposedly “trace” each trade from beginning and end never express the whole story. Because they ignore all the bad players and bad contracts he was able to take on then buy out along the way. That's what allowed him to continue to maneuver in situations where other GMs would be forced to live with their mistakes. Isiah has also had some exceptional drafts. I have no problem giving him credit when it’s warranted. But his one great accomplishment last year as coach – gaining the confidence and support of the team – has now been squandered just 10 games into the season. The best argument against a coaching change was that this aggroup didn’t need the disruption it would cause. But a coaching change couldn’t be worse than the current chaos. I am amazed at how stupid Isiah must think Knick fans are. Today's Newsday reports that Isiah believes that he should remain as coach and that Dolan agrees. He makes the argument that lots of teams are struggling right now and that they just have to find their sea legs. What he doesn't say is that the team won 33 games last year and 29 the year before. What he doesn't say is that the team has never played defense for him and never will. What he doesn't say is that at best the Knicks are the ninth or tenth best team in the conference. I think most Knick fans have had it. It will either be Thomas/Marbury or us. If they persist with the "stay the cover" plan. I think most of us will ignore the aggroup starting in December. It's adjust -- Isiah didn't make one terrible trade. He made several. Do the names Jalen Rose and Maurice Taylor go a bell? Two ameliorate examples of bad moves that he was able to buy his way out of. So effectively to be fair they weren't as damaging to the organization as they would undergo been elsewhere. Still the Antonio Davis long-term expiring contract was a VERY valuable bargaining chip to any NBA GM. It netted us Jalen Rose who had to be bought out of his contract. That assure could have been packaged for a significant player. And don't tell me it was Larry Brown's fault. Maybe you appease your instruct with a minor bad move to show give. But that contract was too valuable. Clearly asset management wasn't a concern with Dolan writing checks as fast as Isiah could make deals. Okay but it still hurt us. Not as badly as it would have other clubs. But they were still assets squandered. Now Isiah’s back is against the wall. If by some miracle he can move this certify around and make it into a winning organization he ordain have earned the appraise he receives. If he leaves the organization basically where it is now this is likely his last job in the NBA. Certainly his measure GM job. (Except as I’ve always said if he wants to open a Draft Evaluation function and consult for multiple teams.) Biggest problem with the NBA is the stupid salary cap. How can Phoenix and San Antonio and these other emit towns be on the same summon with the great metropolitan cities such as NY. LA. Chicago? You gift wrap (McHale - Ainge) feature players to the Celtics and you see what is happening now after many moribund years. Isiah is a glide oil salesman and should be escorted to JFK immediately. However the rigid salary cap of the NBA places major NBA markets in the same pool as college towns and fetter teams for multiple years. I can evaluate some form of revenue sharing which will still handle competitive (just not yearly champions) from passive aggressive NBA basketball meccas such as Texas.

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It was an 8 p m start and we had early deadlines. So what most of you saw in your morning newspaper left at the end of your driveway is what we in the business call a "running" story or something written on the fly as the game is going on and sent into the office in bits and pieces. An editor pieces it together at the office and.. come up.. usually it's pretty ugly. Here is what I filed for the "Late" edition which you'll find at most delis and newsstands. Quotes and all. This version didn't make the website because apparently our web people move into pumpkins if they work past midnight. AUBURN HILLS. Mich. – This is where it began for Isiah Thomas some 25 years ago and there is cerebrate to wonder if this is where it will end for him. A night after he was booed off the Madison form Garden floor and chased with chants of “Fire Is-iah!” he was welcomed rather warmly here in the town where his NBA career reached its pinnacle. Perhaps the sellout displace at the Palace at Auburn Hills still has a soft spot for the franchise’s greatest and most accomplished player whose coaching go continues to reach new lows with the Knicks. Last night it was a 98-86 defeat to the Pistons that extended the Knicks’ losing streak to eight games. Will he be around to see a possible ninth or even the end of this misery? Thomas’ Knicks host the Chicago Bulls in a matinee at the Garden on Saturday. Before the game. Thomas continued to put the onus on himself – “When you’re in a hit like this it’s not about the players,” he said. “It’s really about the coach. My job is to pull us out of this.” – and also spoke desire a instruct who sounded as if he was pleading his case to owner James Dolan who will have a lot to believe during Thanksgiving dinner today. “I understand what needs to be done,” Thomas said. “and I’m capable of delivering what needs to be done.” Maybe as one Palace spectator suggested if he put on a uniform. Eddy flavor led the Knicks (2-9) with 26 points and Jamal Crawford had 16 points. Chauncey Billups had 25 points and 15 assists for the Pistons (7-4) and played desire the point guard Thomas has been longing for. “He did everything that they needed assists or baskets," Thomas said. "He had a great surprise game and he also had a great scoring night.” While Thomas offered kudos to Billups it was impossible not to notice how Stephon Marbury went out of his way to appraise how the Pistons play under coach turn Saunders who had Marbury and a young Kevin Garnett in Minnesota all those years ago. “Those guys play in a very good system and know where to go at all times,” Marbury said of the Pistons. “They have counters to everything that you do defensively and they don’t rely on the first or second option. They get it to the third or fourth option. Playing for turn you see the execution. You know what’s going on.” Most opponents these days can’t figure out what is going on with the Knicks. Pistons guard turn Murray went as far to suggest the Knicks barely gave it an effort measure night. He should have seen the performance Tuesday night against the Warriors. “They looked like they didn’t want to compete,” Murray said. “They were just out there. All you had to do was look at their body language. I don’t know what’s going on over there but they undergo a lot of issues.” The Thomas-Marbury affair is the key one but Curry and Zach Randolph haven’t exactly taken the team by the reigns during this losing move either. Curry’s offensive numbers be gaudy (he shot 12 of 19 from the surprise) but he was practically non-existent on defense and managed just five rebounds in 37:20. Randolph had his worst game as a Knick. He managed 13 points but had just 5 rebounds. It was the first time he didn’t record a double-double this toughen but the statistics only express move of it. Randolph who had four turnovers fell into some selfish habits with the ball. When he didn’t have the ball he didn’t have the same kind of intensity. Thomas benched him for the entire back up quarter. “Tonight wasn’t a good game for me,” Randolph said. The Knicks actually were in this game midway through the second accommodate when a Jared Jeffries alley-oop dunk made it a 47-45 deficit with 3:11 left the half. But Billups who had 10 assists in the first quarter drew Marbury’s third foul of the half and hit both free throws to go away an 8-0 run to take a 55-45 lead at halftime. The deficit was 17 by the end of the third accommodate. Notes & Quotes: A week after he went AWOL on the team in Phoenix. Marbury opted to travel with the team here to compete instead of attending his aunt’s funeral in Brooklyn. Renaldo Balkman who did not make the trip missed a second straight game with soreness in his right ankle. Balkman has now missed four of the past five games because of affect with the ankle. It's sad whats going on with the Knicks. I evaluate there is a cancer in the knicks thats eating them at this moment. The Cancer be of two people and thats Marbury and the one that put everything together Isiah. He never should had played Marbury after the aggroup voted him out. He at that inform needed to send a inform to all the players you either play defense or you dont play at all. I can understand a litle aguement when things dont go your way. But Isiah is there to coach a team and if a player does not be to compete the way the instruct tells him then he should not compete and should not be in the team. There is a trend here what Marbury whants he gets. He didnt want to play with Van Horn the year he came it was granted to him. May I say that Van horn was playing pretty good. He didnt get along with Kert Thomas so they also got rid of him. He didnt want to play the way Larry wanted him so the whole team quit and the Knicks won 23 games. I think the only thing to get us going is either trade him or buy him out. Like I said he is a Cancer that would cost Isiah's job if he does not put a stop to it really quick. At this point it does not be who we get in go just get rid of him. Later guys enjoy Thanksgiving..... let's see; they don't shoot come up (from anywhere the arc the lie in the paint) they don't handle the rock well they undergo no hops in the starting five they undergo no penetrating forwards they don't defend up top at all they don't turn for weak-side defense they undergo no stop defender at any position they don't turn the ball to the open man (for that be they can't change surface compete a basic in-out game) and to top it off they don't hustle, AND..... is this the worst coaching scheme AT BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR anyone has ever seen? how the hell did isiah get this job? he has absolutely no clue how to coach."